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 Doriathrin
When she later learnt Beren's native Mannish tongue, he indeed asked her why she bothered, "since her own tongue was richer and more beautiful" (PM:369).
also Goldamir "Noldo-jewel", Silmaril (the Doriathrin word for Noldo being gold, hence *"Noldo's Jewel" (LR:375 s.v.
Is Doriathrin to be considered a separate Elvish tongue or a form of Sindarin?
http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/doriath.htm

  
 The BrinDin Press Dictionary Links Page
Doriathrin - the Mother Tongue of Lúthien -
http://www.brindin.com/hyperdict/d.htm

  
 Daernoss Aderthad ~ The Reunited
While Thingol has long since died and his kingdom fallen into ruin, many Sindar of Doriathrin lineage still do not consider Quenya anything but a language of poetry and lore and thus do not speak it openly.
In the sixty-seventh year after the kindling of the sun and moon, the Sindar King Thingol issued a decree banning the speaking of Quenya in his realm.
Below are some common Quenya phrases and their Sindarin and English equivalents, as taken from "Quendi and Eldar", p 359-424 of Christopher Tolkien's The War of the Jewels, Volume XI of the History of Middle Earth.
http://aderthad.elusivedreams.net/desc5.htm

  
 Grammaire des elfes sylvains - JRRVF Forum
It is, however, clearly based upon Tolkien's invented languages, drawing especially upon Tolkien's Ilkorin and Doriathrin languages (which were superseded by Sindarin), upon the few words and names which are said to be in the languages of Ossiriand, Lórien, or Mirkwood, and to a small extent on Tolkien's early "Gnomish" language.
http://www.jrrvf.com/forum/noncgi/Forum8/HTML/000007.html

  
 www.nellardo.com - Elfling FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) List
For Quenya there is what I call a “Corpus Dictionary” that includes the words found in our samples of actual Quenya (not early “Qenya”) text, plus stray words that in the sources are scattered throughout some twenty books and other publications.
Many of these lists now include etymological discussions of the individual words (Telerin, Nandorin, Old Sindarin, Doriathrin).
http://www.nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html

  
 Sindarin Language
When the Noldor (a distinct Elvish clan of Valinor) returned to Middle Earth, they adopted the Sindarin language to use as their everyday tongue, and introduced many Quenya words for use in the language.
The Sindar (a subgroup of the Moriquendi) developed a highly sophisticated culture of their own, in the extreme west of Middle Earth (Beleriand), while other groups, such as the Avari, remained in the East of Middle Earth, and were gradually forgotten by their kin.
The linguistic situation of Sindarin in Beleriand at the Rising of the Sun was this: Sindarin was divided into three main dialects: the archaic Doriathrin dialect, the Falas dialect (which was the ancestor of the Sindarin of later Ages), and the estranged Northern Sindarin dialect.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SindarinLanguage

  
 A Tolkien Dictionary
So the Noldorin forms, brought to Middle-earth at the beginning of the First Age of the Sun and Moon, and spoken so predominantly in Beleriand, naturally carried over to the later 'common Elven' - Sindarin - spoken throughout Middle-earth by the Third Age.
The 'Sindar' of the First Age lived mostly in Doriath, and one would expect 'Doriathrin' to be the precursor of Sindarin, but it simply did not work out that way.
In dealing with the language of Rohan, and to some extent Hobbits, this author has pointed out where the terms coincide with Elven forms in Etym, even though, as already stated above, there is no particular authority for doing so.
http://www.quicksilver899.com/Tolkien/Tolkien_Dictionary.html

  
 Tolkien's Haven - Middle-Earth Encyclopedia: Languages - Doriathrin
Quenya, however, was not spoken following the return of the Noldor, as it was banned by King Thingol.
The common language of the inhabitants of Doriath, although Sindarin was also spoken there.
Tolkien's Haven - Middle-Earth Encyclopedia: Languages - Doriathrin
http://website.lineone.net/~istari/me-langs-doriathrin.htm

  
 Ilkorin
Original O in the verbal stem would likewise come out as long ú.
Doriathrin and Ilkorin should be considered closely related dialects of the same language; indeed Tolkien sometimes seems to use the term "Ilkorin" with reference to all the dialects of Beleriand, including Doriathrin.
But what is the relationship of Ilkorin to Sindarin, the language that usurped its place in the mythos?
http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/ilkorin.htm

  
 Áèáëèîòåêà Luksian key Tolkien digest vol. #03.
The later conception, the one we like to "believe" in, made QUENYA the language of the Exiles, and introduced Thingol's Ban.
This was born when JRRT conceived Sindarin's precursor to have been brought by the Noldorin exiles *from Valinor* (nothing in this conception explains, for example, the evident kinship of this to the Ilkorin (later = Umanyar!) dialects like Doriathrin, Ossiriandeb etc., as opposed to its estrangement from Quenya.
However, what remains problematic is - what shall we do with the *term* "Noldorin"?
http://lib.luksian.com/textsfnf/echo_e/009/

  
 Doriathrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Doriathrin preserved many archaic features which had been lost in Falathrin, and was seen by the Sindar of Doriath as a more noble form of it.
However this dialect was also quite recognisable, so that even after Túrin had left Doriath he kept a Doriathrin accent until his death, which immediately pinpointed his origin to speakers of other variants of Sindarin.
Doriathrin became extinct at the end of the First Age after Beleriand was destroyed, although some of the oldest written material preserved in Númenor was written in this dialect, likely taken by refugees from Doriath to Arvernien, and from there to Númenor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doriathrin

  
 TolkienGateway - Content
This fact proves that Doriathrin should be called a language yet Luthlen’s Song in the Lays of Beleriand in pure Sindarin, still makes this an open debate.
Doriathrin comes from the same branch as Common Telerin which evolves into modern Sindarin.
There is much debate as to whether Doriathrin is an actual language or just a or if it is just an archaic Sindarin language.
http://gamerzgateway.net/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=78

  
 People of Gondor
Hirluin of the Green Hills was killed during the battle and his name was remembered in a song written by a minstrel of Rohan.
The element hîr means "lord, master." The word luin means "blue" in Sindarin but it may also mean "pale" or "fair" in Doriathrin.
http://www.tuckborough.net/gondorians.html

  
 TolkienWiki: Sindarin
In Beleriand Sindarin was distinguished in three dialects: Doriathrin (or Iathrim), Mithrim and Falathrim, of which only the latter survived.
During the {Years of the Trees}, Sindarin was written with the primitive Cirth (Runes) of Daeron.
http://www.thetolkienwiki.org/wiki.cgi?Sindarin

  
 Doriathrin - Conlang Profile
The native tongue of Lúthien Tinúviel, the elf-maid who loved a mortal.
Helge writes, "Some competent people feel that the Doriathrin of the Etymologies - which is the language this article is concerned with - is no longer a 'valid' tongue in the mythos as elderly Tolkien had come to see his linguistic scenario.
No quite definite conclusion can be reached in this matter."
http://www.langmaker.com/db/mdl_doriathrin.htm

  
 LangMaker.com - Archives - 1999/07
As far as I know, this is the first detailed analysis of the minor Elvish languages ever published.
Helge Fauskanger writes on Tolklang, "I uploaded a revised version of the article about Ilkorin, with etymological comments added to every word in the wordlist.
If we don't count ancestral, 'unattested' primitive forms, this means that all the Ardalambion wordlists primarily based on the Etymologies - the wordlists for Telerin, Nandorin, Doriathrin, Old Sindarin and Ilkorin - are now fully annotated.
http://www.langmaker.com/archives/199907.htm

  
 Tolkien Linguistic Resources
There are also revised versions of the articles about Telerin, Nandorin and Doriathrin, with etymological discussions of the words in the wordlists.
This site is a valuable tool for learning and understanding Tolkien's languages.
http://members.aol.com/Shamrokkid/Tolkien/Linguistics.html

  
 [No title]
This is a non-commercial fan-page and is not related in any way to the Tolkien Estate, The Saul Zaents Company, New Line Cinema or Decipher Inc.
Sindarin Names (Some are from Noldorin, Goldogrin or Doriathrin dialects)
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Haerangil

  
 Falathrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Spoken by the followers of Círdan the Shipwright, Falathrin was also adopted by the Ñoldorin king Finrod Felagund when he removed to Nargothrond, partially to make sure that his people would speak a slightly different language than the followers of the
Falathrin and Doriathrin were mutually intelligible without problems.
Falathrin, the flavour of Sindarin spoken by the Sindar of the Falas, the coastal regions of Beleriand, was the mainstream southern variant of Sindarin (the other being
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falathrin

  
 [No title]
Doriathrin (Sindarin Elvish): The native tongue of Doriath in Beleriand and of Lúthien Tinúviel, this language is a variant of Sindarin spoken primarily during the First Age.
This language is spoken exclusively in the Days of Twilight before the First Age.
Songs of Power sung in Doriathrin and directed against servents of the Shadow receive a +1 affinity bonus to resist weariness due the power that Melian the Maia imparted in the language.
http://stewardandking.net/LanguageSkillUpdate.doc

  
 ..::Languages of Middle Earth::..
Quenya became the High Elven language, that was only used as a language of books and official documents and as the traditional language for the names of kings.
The latter was the Sindarin, that was spoken in the Third Age, when the second War of the Ring took place.
Also Sindarin developed dialects: Doriathrin, Mithrim and Falathrim.
http://www32.brinkster.com/riennoraina/lesson2.html

  
 Lesson 1
All of the languages are not “independent” languages, but evolved from a common ancestral tongue.
Tolkien created many Middle-Earth languages: Adunaic, Westron, Telerin, Doriathrin, Mannish Tongues, Nandorin, Old Sindarin, Ilkorin, Avarin, Sindarin, Quenya, Khuzdul, Entish, Orkish, the Black Speech, Valarin, and Primitive Elvish.
http://www.middle-earth.ws/lessons/lesson1.htm

  
 Mellonath Daeron : Attested Sindarin Plurals
The easiest assumption seems to be that this analysis is valid also for the post-LR use of the name (perhaps with 'Doriathrin' exchanged for 'North Sindarin').
Presumably, a singular lómin would also have the plural lómin, but -en is a common adjective ending, and lómen occurs in Doriathrin, as noted above.
LAM-, the 'Nolodorinized Doriathrin' names Dor-lómen and Ered Lómin are seen to contain an adjective lómen 'echoing'.
http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/md_plur.html

  
 Dorthanion
See Dorthonion, Doriathrin name: thanion = 'of pines'
http://www.torania.de/luthien/names/dorthanion.htm

  
 If Your Nightly News Covered The Silmarillion, by Erunyauve
For the third time in less than a millennium, ethnic violence flared between the Noldorin sect and the Teleri.
But only hours ago this sanctuary was under attack as Fëanorian militants struck at Doriathrin refugees.
http://www.freewebs.com/edhellond/erunyauve/nightly_news_silmarillion.htm

  
 LOTR_A-C
be an archaic form of S, was rejected and its forms folded into Doriathrin or abandoned; in Tolkien's
http://www.quicksilver899.com/Tolkien/LOTR/LOTR_AC.html

  
 Silmarillion Dictionary C-E
such an analysis would apply to Doriathrin; see also êl, elen star [appx]; the Nol feminine ending
http://www.quicksilver899.com/Tolkien/SILM/SILM_CE.html

  
 DORIATHRIN
Comments (For meaning of citations in parenthesis see note*.)
(LR:358) in Doriathrin fence means the Girdle of Melian
http://www.geocities.com/jonathanrisser/website/DORIATHRIN2.htm

  
 roleplay.dol-amroth.de - Roleplay Links
Quenya, Sindarin, Adûnaic, Westron, Telerin, Doriathrin, Nandorin, Khuzdul, Entish, Orkish and the Black Speech
http://www.dol-amroth.com/roleplay/links.htm

  
 NB online - Department of Planned Languages and Esperanto Museum
NB online - Department of Planned Languages and Esperanto Museum
, Corintie, Cosman, Dilpok, Domni, Doriathrin, Dunia, Eh m ay ghee chah, Elvish, Entish, Esperantido, Esperanto, Esperanto
http://www.onb.ac.at/ev/collections/esperanto/index.htm

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