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| | The Autonomist - Logic Fallacies |
 | | If no test can be devised for testing a hypothesis, it means the hypothesis has no consequence, that nothing happens or doesn't happen because of it and nothing depends on it being right. | | | Since, at one time, all cultures and most people believed the world was flat and earth was the center of the universe, those concepts must have been true and some colossal event must have, in the meantime, turned the earth into a sphere, and downgraded her to a retrograde planet in a backwater galaxy. | | | Passing a test is only, "proof," if passing is only possible when the hypothesis is true, which means the test must fail (the hypothesis will be falsified) when the hypothesis is untrue. |
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http://usabig.com/autonomist/fallacies.html
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| | One Pill Makes You Smaller, Robert D. Brown III |
| | However, because Massimo offers no objective proof that God does not exist and because the extant literature is full of readily available references as to why God does exist, I will likewise avoid arguing for the existence of God, per se, and defer the reader to a proper discrimination of the evidence in another venue. | | | I may suspect either sets of characterizations to be true, but I would not assume that I should speak for most atheists on their personal motivations to deny the existence of God. | | | The only connection that Massimo's analogy may bear on the issue would be to possibly explain why some humans (or at least Michelangelo) perceive God to be an old white man with flowing robes and a beard or why some humans invoke God plenarily to explain incorrectly every physical phenomenon they don't understand. |
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http://www.scifidimensions.com/May01/onepillsmaller.htm
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| | "No True Scotsman" |
| | A "true" Christian is based on personal preference and nothing more. | | | Since this rationalization is completely subjective, it renders the definition of a "true" Christian virtually meaningless. | | | "Ah yes, but no TRUE Christian ever stops being a Christian." |
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http://www.geocities.com/b_r_a_d_99/noscotsman.htm
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| | Dr. Phil.com - Messageboards - Messages for |
| | In other words, if I insist on holding to my original ambiguous argument that no true Scot eats sugar on porridge, Fiona, be she born in Edinburgh or Inverness, falls short of the mark. | | | The idea goes like this: I tell you that no true Scot puts sugar on her porridge. | | | As we search for the true, we rush to draw close the weird month of August, when slow news days cough up odd bits, and Fox's Greta Van Susteren, who, from every indication, started in the news business with a soul, has traded hers for the story of the teenager still missing in Aruba. |
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http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/view.user/225051/4
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| | Logical Fallacies |
| | Even a good inductive argument with true premises might have a false conclusion; that the argument is a good one and that its premises are true only establishes that its conclusion is probably true. | | | Good inductive arguments lend support to their conclusions, but even if their premises are true then that doesn’t establish with 100% certainty that their conclusions are true. | | | For a deductive argument to be a good one (to be “valid”) it must be absolutely impossible for both its premises to be true and its conclusion to be false. |
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http://www.logicalfallacies.info
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| | He Lives |
| | No person may presume to interpret scripture in way that is in disagreement with Rome’s teaching. | | | This is, in part, the basis for assuming that there was no death prior to the fall. | | | Consequently, to be true followers of Christ all Christians, both among the clergy and laity, must be in communion with the See of Rome, where Peter rules in the person of his successor." |
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http://helives.blogspot.com
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| | Am ha-Aretz / עם הארץ: Falseness: Oral Torah from Sinai |
| | I realize that in some sense this begs the question, but part of the No True Scotsman problem is that in NTS there's nothing in the predicate that is inherently contradictory to the subject definition. | | | If said group operated in a vacuum, exerting no influence or effect upon others of differing viewpoints, or if said group did not claim Divine authority, I’d be ignoring this issue altogether. | | | But in any event, the story as told cannot be true and is replete with historical innaccuracies. |
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http://www.amhaaretz.org/draft/falseness_oral_torah_from_sinai.html
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| | Maverick Philosopher The No True Scotsman Fallacy |
| | In other words, no one I don't know will be approved who comments anonymously or pseudonymously. | | | And to underscore the obvious: nothing in the nature of a weblog requires that it accept comments from readers. |
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http://maverickphilosopher.powerblogs.com/posts/1128720274.shtml
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| | Fallacies [Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy] |
| | This could be the correct explanation of his lying, but since there's no way to collect evidence for or against the claim that he's possessed by demons, presenting it as the correct explanation is an error. | | | If the prediction failed to come true, the augur would not admit failure but instead would blame nearby Christians for their evil influence on his divining powers. | | | The faulty reasoner illegitimately assumed that what is true of a person under one description will remain true when said of that person under a second description even in this context of indirect quotation. |
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http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/f/fallacies.htm
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| | Pharyngula::Here's an atheistical virtue for you |
| | This story is not inconceivable, but I would wait for some confirmation before accepting it as true. | | | This is a No True Scotsman fallacy - youâre defining âChristianâ in a way that makes it obvious that âNo true Christian requires starving people to convert before giving them aid.â | | | This is a No True Scotsman fallacy - you're defining "Christian" in a way that makes it obvious that "No true Christian requires starving people to convert before giving them aid." |
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http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/heres_an_atheistical_virtue_for_you
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| | onegoodmove: Talking to Xtians |
| | The answer is of course no. The atheist, using such induction, can not necessarily conclude there is no God, but to believe in such a proposition would be as silly as believing there is a teacup orbiting Jupiter or an invisible and immaterial dragon living in your garage. | | | There is no evidence that there is a teapot in orbit around Jupiter. | | | But just because we can not prove there is no teacup orbiting Jupiter does not mean there is a teacup there. |
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http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002787.html
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| | Objection 7 |
| | Who is to say what the "true Christian" interpretation of that scripture is? And, as discussed in Objection 4, God Himself did order wars in the Old Testament. | | | It appears to me that the Christians that follow "true Christianity" (if it exists at all) are the ones that participated in the five "sins of the church"--not the ones like Woodbridge who condemn them. | | | And, while most Christians would say that God has said that the New Testament is the final testament, surely no Christian would say that God has no prerogative to make another testament. |
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http://www.caseagainstfaith.com/articles/objection7.htm
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| | Professor Enigma's Official Site :: Got Facts?: The liberal antidote |
| | “No true Scotsman!” During any debate with a Skeptic, one is likely to hear this crowed at them. | | | Atheists love to use this in order to force Christian apologists to accept their definition of everything from the meaning of the word “evolution” to something Christians should know better than they: what it means to be a Christian! | | | The No True No True Scotsman fallacy, perhaps? |
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http://www.freewebs.com/professor_enigma/nts.htm
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| | No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| | No true Scotsman is a term coined by Antony Flew in his 1975 book Thinking About Thinking. | | | The statement "no true Christian" would do some such thing is often a fallacy, since the term "Christian" is used by a wide and disparate variety of people. | | | This form of argument is a fallacy if the predicate ("putting sugar on porridge") is not actually contradictory for the accepted definition of the subject ("Scotsman"), or if the definition of the subject is silently adjusted after the fact to make the rebuttal work. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
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| | Pax Democritus? by Jason Gonella |
| | It is true that the monarch had actual powers, just like in Great Britain. | | | Germany is considered to be "not a Democracy" because it was ruled by a monarch and a parliament, just like Great Britain. | | | This does nothing to disprove the theory, as every theory in science, from Gravity to Relativity to Evolution is accepted based on the preponderance of data and the absence of contradictory data. |
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/gonella5.html
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| | Arab World Sees Through Cheesy Osama Videos : SF Indymedia |
| | There's no interfering noise and the distance between the cameraman and the speakers does not appear to be large. | | | "It is a confession no doubt about that. | | | The "No True Scotsman..." fallacy Suppose I assert that no Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge. |
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http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2001/12/112079.php
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| | No True Scotsman |
| | Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it's you who is not a "True Christian"? | | | Maybe you could clear this simple matter up by defining for me exactly what makes one a "True Christian"(TM)? | | | "The way to recognize the spirit of God is this: every spirit which acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and no spirit is from God which does not acknowledge Jesus. |
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http://www.freethoughtfirefighters.org/amanda_jones_no_true_scotsman.htm
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| | Debating Guidelines -- McKinsey's Biblical Errancy Forum Group |
| | Can be illustrated by attempting to dismiss someone basically in the same philosophical/religious camp; for example, a Protestant trying to dismiss a Catholic viewpoint on the grounds that Catholics are not TRUE CHRISTIANS. | | | Can be illustrated when a position is worded such that only specific alternatives exist. | | | It is like arguing that the Bible is true, because God would not lie; and God would not lie, because the Bible says he doesn't. |
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http://www.voy.com/67169/48.html
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| | 'No True Scotsman' Fallacy |
| | Logical Fallacies / Fallacies of Presumption / ‘No True Scotsman’ Fallacy | | | Apparent counter-examples to this idea, people who appear to have faith believe but subsequently lose it, are written off using the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy: they didn’t really have faith, they weren’t true Christians. | | | The claim that faith cannot be lost is thus preserved from refutation. |
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http://www.logicalfallacies.info/notruescotsman.html
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| | Style over substance fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| | The baseless denial/unreasonable doubt is often an argumentative tool that accompanies circular reasoning, ad hominem or the no true Scotsman fallacy. | | | They're known to be sneaky, because no true member of our party could do something like that! | | | Person 1: Ok, sir, you are a nut. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Style_over_substance_fallacy
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| | 5.10a |
| | THE CORRECT ANSWER IS Which fallacy also goes by the name "No true Scotsman"? | | | "No true Scotsman" comes from a story in which it is claimed no true Scotsman would do something. | | | By saying no true Scotsman would do something the person making the claim has "poisoned" a well of evidence because he can just say any counter example is not truly a Scotsman. |
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http://www.humboldt.edu/~act/HTML/tests/fallacy4/5.10a.html
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| | Democracy vs. Democracy: Murdoc Online |
| | Free, true democracy as we know it has only come into being over the past century. | | | Yes, the "No democracies have EVER fought a war against each other" isn't as 100% waterproof as some claim, though the argument is usually made from a 20th Century-onward point of view, so the War of 1812, US Civil War, etc., are really from "an earlier era" and so on. | | | The point where they differ is that if the enemy is a democracy, the same rules apply to them as well as to you, and even though you may be enemies in many ways it's not in your best interest to fight. |
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| | No True Jedi Fallacy - Tales of Jedi Misfits |
| | No True Jedi Fallacy - Tales of Jedi Misfits | | | "Well, no true Jedi would accept a Resurrection Parasite." | | | "No Jedi would willingly accept a Resurrection Parasite." |
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| | FreeSpeech.com: Brad DeLong and the "No True Scotsman" argument |
| | Brad DeLong and the "No True Scotsman" argument | | | FreeSpeech.com: Brad DeLong and the "No True Scotsman" argument | | | For the first time in a while, we see someone using the No True Scotsman argument. |
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| | Catholic Blogic: No true Muslim |
| | Thus we have a new version of the well-know 'No true Scotsman' fallacy. | | | Using such a move, Scotsmen (and Muslims, or anyone else for that matter) can continue to believe that they are innately superior in all they do, since 'no true Scotsman or Muslim' would ever do something that would indicate that such an innate superiority did not exist. | | | Consequently, the fact he committed the crime is taken to prove that he was not really a Scotsman. |
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| | Heretics' almanac: Banning a religion |
| | That religion may be influenced by Muslims scriptures. | | | But here's the dilemma, and I'll illustrate it with another religion to make the point: | | | I didn't mean to imply that no *true* Muslim would do x, y, or z. |
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| | defiant penguin |
| | This is just as true of the man who puts ‘native’ before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen.” Former president H.W. Bush proclaimed in an interview: “No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. | | | In their statements, both former presidents commit the No True Scotsman fallacy, as does anyone who attempts to add additional requirements to the term American. | | | Furthermore, Americans are biased towards their own Americanism, and are therefore unqualified to define what an American is; as it is unlikely one would call himself un-American. |
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http://www.defiantpenguin.net/?sectionid=5
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| | ipedia.com: Western world Article |
| | Huntington and his followers understood "The West" to be roughly synonymous with the Euro-Atlantic civilization, although countries with roots in other civilizations, such as Greece, Turkey, or Japan, may choose to ally themselves with the West as a result of having absorbed "Western" ideas and values into their societies. | | | Huntington's thesis was influential, but was by no means universally accepted; its supporters say that it explains modern conflicts, such as those in the former Yugoslavia; the thesis' detractors fear that by equating values like democracy with "Western civilization" reinforces racist and/or xenophobic notions about "non-Western" societies. | | | In Huntington's thesis, the historically Eastern Orthodox nations of southeastern and eastern Europe constitute a distinct "Euro-Asiatic civilization"; although European and Christian, these nations were not, in Huntington's view, shaped by the cultural influences of the Renaissance, Reformation, and Enlightenment, and were not "Western" in the same sense as the Euro-Atlantic civilization. |
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http://www.ipedia.com/western_world_1.html
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| | No True Scotsman - EvoWiki |
| | The No True Scotsman fallacy is an ad hoc usage of definitions. | | | you change the definition of the word to make your claim true by default: | | | This page was last modified 00:27, 25 January 2005. |
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| | Oven - Sharp Microwave Oven |
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